Anthonypool89: This may help you. Do not take off the plastic on the expandable rubber plugs. Saturday, I closed a pool for a friend. He had # 8 plugs for the return lines and a Gizmo. Quickly, I sent him to Leslie's as they were the only placed open and we were in a hurry to purchase # 10 plugs. As I was clearing the lines with the Cyclone, I hand tightened them real good. The black plug is supposed to stick out of the return and expand, enough to not allow air to escape. What you are seeing is air escaping and not necessarily water entering back into the lines. Your plugs should not fit inside the port, but stop where there is about 1/4 outside (give or take). Make sure you place them flush and tighten by hand. If you wear goggles like I do, then you can easily see if there is air leaking out. Keep compressor on at the same time. Use small needle nose pliers and turn carefully (you have gunite) so not as big as a deal with a liner as you can easily damage the liner. Only one turn at a time and inspect visually. Keep turning until the bubbles stop. You will be surprised that some will need to be tightened real well. When we were done with my friends pool, I went back and gave each one another 2 turns. There were 2 of them that gave a lot of trouble and these had at least 6 additional turns with the pliers. IMHO, I believe that the new ones will give you a little more trouble and as time goes by, they will be easier to work with. The new ones are real hard plastic. Mine are a lot softer and over time, the rubber plastic will be more forgiving. Hope this helps!- - - Updated - - - I am calling a local pool contractor to see if he can come over to help. How frustrating to apparently not be able to do something you're done successfully the past 28 years! Click to expand... I would not do this. For the cost of sending someone out, the funds can go toward a purchase of a Cyclone. One thing about pools is that the cost savings of an air compressor or shop vac (even if you have one) is not worth the aggravation of closing a pool. The Cyclone has proved to be my best friend. You will get this fixed. Please do not be afraid to tighten the nuts. The air will stop.
OK..here's where I'm at. I blow the returns...get both plugs in...fine...no leaks. I blow the drain, seal it with the bottom of the double plug...fine...still no bubbles issuing from the return plugs....then I push the double plug down the rest of the way....bubbles come up from the skimmer line but I figure this is no real big deal since there is no longer water in that line (shouldn't be anyway). THEN, once all that is finished...bubbles start to come out of the returns. Alright...so I start to loosen the return plugs again, take them out, and there is an unbelievable amount of air pressure built up behind them. So...IF as you're saying, the presence of additional bubbles is simply the pressurized system venting air out at the returns and indeed no water is coming in, then I would say next time I do it I disconnect the hose from the filter tank, thereby depressurizing the system, and I should be done. Does this sound right? I always suck all the water out of the skimmer pot just to make sure that no more water is coming up from the drain. Let me know. If the above sounds ok, then I'm good. I just don't recall before having so much air built up in the system NOR do I ever recall air escaping from the return plugs once I finish with the drain. It just has me paranoid. I think this new pancake compressor I got last year just puts in much more air than my old Sears Craftsman that went kaput. I blew out the lines with this compressor last year but don't recall any bubbles from the returns. Let me know your thoughts...gotta get this done. Didn't hear back from either contractor anyway. You're right, though, about using the plastic wing nuts. Much better. Actually, though, additional tightening of the plugs once I noticed the air still coming out did NOT help. I really cranked down on them (by hand, though, no pliers) Haven't used a pliers on any plugs ever to close the pool.
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